並前往https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/%E7%9B%B4%E8%A6%BA%E5%A1%94%E7%BE%85%E5%B8%AB%E5%AA%83%E4%BC%8A%E9%99%AA%E4%BD%A0%E8%81%8A%E5%BF%83%E8%A7%A3%E6%83%91-%E6%88%91%E6%98%AF%E4%BD%A0%E7%9A%84%E5%A1%94%E7%BE%85%E5%B8%ABzoe-BA94InQc6jf/